Long Bootstrapped Journey into Cutting-Edge Generative AI: Jeff Kuo, Founder of Ragic (Part 7)

Sramana Mitra: Yes, it is tough. I have a slightly different kind of question as my last set of questions for you. No code, right now is a very attractive terminology in the industry, and part of it is coming from the fact that AI is automating everything, including coding. So no-code, AI-generated software is the future that we are going towards. What are your thoughts about this evolution? How is that impacting your business? How does that impact your product roadmap etc.?

Jeff Kuo: I come from an AI study background. This wave is very much unexpected. To have AI to understand natural language at this level is truly unexpected, but it makes sense. But for a product like Ragic, it is a really good surprise. Since we’re building a kind of a more sophisticated database system, the biggest hurdle for customer adoption is that it is still hard to learn a complicated product like this.

We’re currently building an integration where you can tell chat GPT, “Please build me a CRM system for our construction company.” You can customize by specifying how many people you have, what kind of functionalities you need. It can then build the whole system, at least the scaffold of a system, using Ragic for you. It can build out the system in front of your eyes so that not only you can use the system that it builds, but you also see how Chat GTP builds your application. So, you learn how to build it in the process.

So you can tell Chat GPT or our application Ragic AI to make the fields readable or add a few options. You can just tell Ragic AI what you want to build. With no code, you can build applications with natural language. That’s really exciting for us. A lot of people have tried out Ragic. Small business owners, especially, say, “This is a little bit complicated for us. I’m not good at this. Our business is a little bit complicated. I don’t have time to build this.”

I think this technology can help us a lot in these kind of situations. They can just say what they want and the bot will basically build them the overall structure that they need because they have the common sense of what a construction company needs.

We even say, “Build me a customer database for a casino.” It can build a database for a casino because it’ll know what a casino company will usually need to record in the database system.

So any generative AI platform, whether it’s Open AI or Google’s Gemini or whatever, will have the knowledge and common sense to be able to come up with the specs with which to interface with Ragic, you’re saying?

Jeff Kuo: I’m not, we have not tested all of them. We have integrated two of them. We have integrated Open AI and Call three, and both of them are doing pretty well in these tasks.

Sramana Mitra: Really? That is fascinating. And do you have deployments of these products yet?

Jeff Kuo: We have no alpha testing right now. It’s not open to the public yet, but we have invited some customers in our system to try to test these. We’re still testing them and we should be deploying them this quarter.

It just really helps the new users try to adopt a technology that’s not that easy to learn in the beginning. And we do notice that the more advanced the model, like GPT 3.5 or 4, the better the execution of the database. We can see the difference between these kind of different versions or models when they’re doing a task this complicated like building a whole relational database application.

Sramana Mitra: Yeah. It’s fantastic. That is really, really interesting and so cool what you’re doing with the front end.

Jeff Kuo: We were so surprised that it’s able to do that. From my AI background, I said, “No, they can’t do that! Let’s try it anyway. And whoa!”

Sramana Mitra: They can do that.

Jeff Kuo: Yeah. That it was so surprising. A little bit scary though.

Sramana Mitra: Yeah, a little bit scary indeed. Well, Jeff, I really enjoyed speaking with you, and we look forward to covering your story. Good luck with everything. Thank you.

This segment is part 7 in the series : Long Bootstrapped Journey into Cutting-Edge Generative AI: Jeff Kuo, Founder of Ragic
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